IL House Tables Bill to Repeal Horse Slaughter Ban!


Update April 1, 2009: The Illinois House has tabled H.B. 583, Rep. Jim Sacia’s bill to repeal the 2007 horse slaughter ban.

Good news for the horses. Rep. Sacia was not able to put together the 60 votes needed to pass this measure. Sources say the bill is dead for this year. 

Read Animal Law Coalition’s original report for more on this bill. 

Original report: The Illinois bill, H.B. 583, that would repeal the 2007 ban on horse slaughter, is now out of the Rules Committee and has once again passed the Agriculture Committee.

An amendment added to the bill would create an Equine Assistance Rescue Fund which would theoretically provide funds for equine rescue organizations and increase facilities and programs for the care and maintenance of rescued horses. But the plan is to fund this, in part, through a $25 per horse fee for each horse slaughtered in Illinois. 

Rep. Jim Sacia has also introduced ILHR 160, a resolution calling for the defeat of the pending federalanti-slaughter bill, H.R. 503. Go here for more on similar resolutions introduced in other states.

Click here to find Illinois representatives, and then click on their names and write or call each one and urge them to vote no on H.B. 583 and HR 160. Do it now. Please be polite!

Tell Illinois legislators: The voters in Illinois already rejected horse slaughter in 2007 and don’t want to see it return to the state. Horse slaughter is cruel and barbaric and has no place in American culture. Banning horse slaughter does not lead to an increase in abandoned horses; that is a myth. Horse slaughter is driven by a demand for horse meat in foreign countries. It is a for profit business that should not be subsidized by Illinois taxpayers. Also, it is a seedy practice that leads to an increase in horse theft. Vote no on H.B. 583 and H.R. 160. 

Rep. Jim Sacia introduced this same bill last session to try to repeal of the 2007 state law banning horse slaughter. That state law helped shut down the horse slaughter facility in Dekalb, Illinois.

Rep. Sacia’s bill, H.B. 583, would also allow horses destined for slaughter for human consumption to be shipped into the state for slaughter with no certificate of veterinary inspection contrary to current state law governing horses. 510 ILCS 65/4 The new law would also exempt downed, sick, diseased, lame or disabled horses from the requirements of the Humane Care for Animals Act governing animals in this condition.   510 ILCS 70/5, 7.5

This means Rep. Sacia and the interests he represents in the horse slaughter underworld understand that horse slaughter is brutal and cruel and so would want to exempt their sordid practice from the animal cruelty laws and inspection requirements.

18 thoughts on “IL House Tables Bill to Repeal Horse Slaughter Ban!”

  1. Ms. Allen:

    Thank you for the recap of the insidious and orchestrated efforts by proslaughter proponents. I wonder why this Nation’s State and Federal Legislators are acting on behalf of a foreign, for profit industry that does nothing but torture equids and provide a tainted food product. I hope we, those that are antislaughter can find the means necessary to counter these assaults on our horses, economy and in the end, the American People.

    D. Masters

  2. Hi,
    ummm, looks like the legislation from other
    states is not a temporary solution, but a permanent bid to have slaughter plants here
    in the US to not get rid of our excess but to
    CONTINUE to get rid of excess…by allowing
    more and more to be bred and continue the predatory business of SUPPLYING horse meat
    to foreign countries…this is a bid for
    a permanent (i.e, need the horses to keep on coming to do this)….if it was to get rid
    of excess, then measures need to be in place
    to put a stop to the excess..but that is not
    suggested by the state legislators, now is it?
    They want to keep on supplying (encourage
    breeding, have people continue to give up their
    horses, etc..) these people won’t own again, now
    will they? so these statements of abandonment, starving..etc..will also dwindle down the owners
    who can or will take in horses ..this is scary too…but slaughter was in place for over 50 years and did nothing but encourage an overabundance of horses…without keeping more
    and more places to grow hay and horse communities. Low cost euthanisia programs
    are best …and collect later when people can afford it? slaughter serves only foreign interest. We have an excess of dogs and cats..
    what about eating them too? slaughter houses for
    them too? maybe this will be next…Too emotional
    about that? Emotions rule everything..greed,
    slaughter of our noble horses from Foreign investors who advocate the associated cruelty and overbreeding…our lack of protection and
    status of our American Heritage Horses is


  3. Someone who identified himself as “Anonymous” said he wrote an essay on horse slaughter explaining who supports it and why. We already know why! To make money. He is apparently also involved in horse racing which as far as I am concerned is also inhumane and should be outlawed. I hope for the day when both horse slaughter and horse racing will be outlawed throughout the United States.
    (For some reason the website keeps trying to identify me as “Anonymous”. I am not “Anonymous”, thank God. I am wtrvet46 writing to comment on what Anonymous wrote).


  4. Ive heard all the arguments from both sides and the one thing that is consistent here is this- the people that are anti slaughter are either not involved in the horse indusrty or are grossly missinformed. Almost all of the people I know and I have conversed with who have had a career in the horse industry for 20 years or more support it for the following reasons. Breeders and trainers have had a serious decline in sales of new stock, and have had to scale back their operations, prices has fallen to the point of it not being worth the time involved to breed and train young stock- it has hurt the horse industry severly. With the glut of horses that have been dumped on the market, nothing is selling. All of you screaming about its all about money- well yeah, its how we make our living! Then there are the ignorant back yard owners and breeders that think it would be cool to have a horse or a”baby around the house” until they realise the time and cost a horse requires, so now you have a horse and cant afford to feed it, or dont have time to take care of it- what do you do? well, I can just about garrantee you wont get what you paid for it- why? BECAUSE NO ONE IS BUYING WITH THE ECONOMY IN THE TANK! Consequently these owners are not going to drop another 200 bucks to put it down, in their mind, theyve already spent more than they wanted to, so it stands in a field somewhere starving and dying a slow and miserble death from neglect. In a perfect world, all the creatures would be happy and healthy and live to be 100, but we dont live in that world, our world revolves around the fact that some must die in order that others may live. It is the check and balance system of life. However, it is our responsibility as the creatures with the bigger brains to make sure the animals that we use to serve us do not suffer unnessessarily. Equine rendering plants can be a solution and can be a quick and painless way to end their suffering, but in order for that to happen we must make sure that strict and ENFORCED regulation is put in place. Rendering plants would create jobs for an ailing economy and create an option that would take the burden off the rescue facilities which are already overrun. The majority of people that want to ban slaughter do not seem to realise the expense of housing one horse, let alone thousands. I speak from experience, Ive had a career with horses for 20+ years and I have seen neglect due to ignorance many times over, and now with one less option available, it is running rampant. I myself took in 2 horses that were given to me, and clearly do not need anything else to feed, but took them because I can use them. To be successful in the horse business, you cannot feed anything that doesnt earn its keep- if you do, you’ll be in the red in the blink of an eye.

  5. I am curious – are you same people this passionate about the slaughter of other livestock (i.e. cattle, pigs, sheep, chickens, etc)? Have you researched the conditions for the animals actually bred for this purpose? Do you realize that yes, horses are LIVESTOCK? In legal terms, and in reality. They are not pets.
    It would be very inaccurate to say that people breed horses FOR slaughter. At least in the U.S. Planned breedings aren’t generally with the goal of a slaughter house in mind.
    And sure, to curb the breeding would be a great thing as far as population control – but will you ask for and support legislature to govern breeding of ALL animals? The animals you feel it’s socially acceptable to butcher for consumption? The animals you keep as pets? Who do you appoint to oversee this? Who does the licensing? Is there licensing? Who enforces it? What are the penalties for violations? If we legislate livestock breeding, who determines and based on what that these “rules” apply only to livestock and not animals classified as pets? Do we reclassify horses as pets rather than livestock? Does that mean we reclassify other livestock to pets also? Take horses from livestock to pet….. think about what would now apply to horses in the eyes of the law. Does that really, honestly, deep down make sense to you? Do you recognize that there are differences in husbandry, and the legal requirements pertaining to, between pet and livestock? Do you have any idea what those differences are?

    I understand everyone has this romantic idea of horses. They are our heritage, they are big beautiful animals. They are, quite frankly, icons of fantasy to a great many people. I understand how people get caught up. They decide these animals are pets in their hearts and their heads, even though the law and logic says they are livestock. They see them as the constant companion of a horse crazy girl in a lazy summer scene. They forget that they are using animals. They forget the work these animals have been used for in the past, and continue to be used for in some places. I get it, I really do. And I can understand the “need” to want to provide a better end for them.

    I also happen to own horses, have for 30 years. I love them and in my head and my heart they aren’t even pets, they are family. Mine are my other children, sure. However, I also love and understand these animals enough to know that they aren’t anywhere even remotely close to the same “companion” as my lunatic dog, or the cats. Whether that’s the God’s honest biological truth or it’s just the social truth, I don’t know. But it’s the truth for me. I recognize these differences because I love these animals for everything they are. Not just their physical beauty, or the books and movies I watched as a child, or the complete misconception I have from the petting farm I visited on a field trip.

    I fully support horse slaughter. Regardless of the reason. And yes I own several, none of which are show/competition/work animals. Some are registered, some are not. And yes, I’ve even done my share of rehab, more so in the last year. I cannot tell someone they should not eat horses. It would be like me telling you to not eat any meat. Or any previously living thing for that matter (vegetation). I cannot tell you that when you no longer have a need for old dobbin now that the kids are grown and moved on that you should not take him to the local auction house to find him a new home with maybe a child, or maybe as a companion to a needy equine, or maybe as a lawn ornament for an eldery lady. I also cannot tell you that you can’t call up the local “trader” and have him pick up dobbin to dispose of as he sees fit – resale, retirement, slaughter. I can’t. I don’t have that right. Do I agree with your decision? Do I think you maybe could have found a better resolution to the situation at hand? Maybe. Maybe not. Some times slaughter is not ideal – in my opinion. Even safe, humane (in the eyes of the law) slaughter might not be ideal. Maybe ideal would be retiring him to pasture (do you have one? or do you have to pay for the use of someone else’s?). Maybe ideal would be holding out for months on end for that perfect home (for sale or free). I suppose somewhere, sometime, it’s a possibility. Maybe calling out the vet and having dobbin put to sleep would be best. Providing your vet will agree (an otherwise healthy horse.. you might have an issue), you have the monetary funds, you’re not in a state/county/city that does not allow burial, or you’re not in a state that has a significant winter (still cant bury on frozen ground), or that you even have a rendering service near you. I really do understand all of the hesitation I really do. It’s hard to let go of old dobbin, to cut the emotional ties, to let that piece of your heart go. It happens when these animals become pets, or family.

    But do you feel the same way about the rank horse, with the screw loose? They are man made, ultimately. But sometimes they don’t have to be out of the womb to have their man made issues. Sometimes there’s just something missing, something wired wrong, before that first breath is taken. Sometimes not. Sometimes after a life of abuse or neglect the fear and aggression is so deep that nothing can change that animal’s want/need/urge/desire to not only avoid human contact but to loathe it. And in those situations, who can blame him? Unfortunately, that means the laws in place have failed these animals. Just like the previous laws regarding slaughter have failed some in the past. Do you risk the safety and welfare of your own family to keep him in the pasture? Do you ask someone else to risk that? Can you convince the insurance companies that he is not an additional liability? Can you convince yourself?

    That is where we need to step up. We need to make sure the right laws are in place, and when they are, that they are enforced. Or we fail all the way around. I agree with the idea and I know the passion involved (though I fully believe it to be misguided), and ultimately it would be wonderful to not use slaughter as a means to an end. But my ideas and truths are not the same as others, in this country or another. These animals are currently livestock and there is a reason for it. To make those changes based on romantic fallacies would be a grave disservice to not only our society, but those of other cultures and countries, and even the animals, too. Sometimes when we have the best intentions, we have the worst results.

    For those against the slaughter because of any cruelty (real or perceived), I agree. It should not be an inhumane act. If you are against the slaughter of horses for any reason other than the cruelty aspect, what is this battle really about?

    donttouchrc at live

  6. I just read the comment by the person who says that horse slaughter is a good thing. If that is the case, why not have his or her mother or father go to a rendering plant to experience this for themselves! No rendering plant is a ‘good thing’. There aren’t enough regulations or supervisors in place to ensure that the animals are being slaughtered humanely. I don’t have the right to tell anyone to become a vegetarian, especially when I’m still working on that myself, but what I do think we should all be using as a guide in how we live and treat other creatures is science and compassion. At this time, slaughter houses are inhumane. There are no good ‘rendering facilities’ and this is a fact that has been documented by animal rights organizations time and time again. Putting an end to horse slaughter may put the breeders out of business but frankly, they should be out of business. There are just too many animals, period! To use animals in such ways and then discard them is not a humane or intelligent way to make a living yet we are supposed to be the most intelligent life form which is such a contradiction in itself. There are too many greedy breeders for every species of animal so lets start decreasing the unwanted numbers by putting an end to the profit of slaughter houses. I find that those who are for slaughter pick and choose their morals by overlooking the incredible anguish and physical pain they put their horses through when the horse is no longer useful. How convenient but this mindset must be changed. If anyone really cares about being a good person, they wouldn’t want any animal sent to a horrible rendering facility.

  7. How have these animals survived, along with other creatures in the desert and have not bothered anything?
    Now, It is they are eating all the vegetation and putting other animals at risk.
    There aren’t enough wild horses left to do any damage.
    These beautiful animals (what’s left) are cruelly transported across country to slaughter houses. I wonder how many make it?
    I adopted a Mustang and I was so sorry to see the holding pens filled with these beautiful animals. Burros and their young included.
    What a sad state of affairs that we seem to be killing off ALL the wildlife and trying to control the nautural selection, etc. due to greed and land control.
    Patricia Baldwin

  8. The point here is–the animals are being transported for profit. Then, sent to other countries as a delicacy. The whole adoption program was a joke. How many people can afford to keep an animal and ensure that is is fed, watered and housed, so to speak, in a decent facility? I am feeling the pinch myself, but after bonding with this beautiful wild animal, I will do everything in my power to see that she survives, as one of the most intelligent and oldest breeds in the country.
    I would go by the holding pens on my way to town and couldn’t stand to go there and wanted to cry watching them being held for the only option–greed and money and DEATH!
    Finally I forced myself to go in and made friends with the animals who had no future.
    I went from a 1 lb. bag of carrots to hauling 25 pounds to give them something before they died. It became a regular stop for me after work and I so enjoyed each and every one I came in contact with. That is how I ended up with my Mustang. Adoption day and she was leaving. I knew the fate.
    I am not a horse woman and not a complete environmentalist, but my heart told me to save her. She is still with me today.
    better than ending-up in a can of dogfood or being shipped to Japan or who knows where.
    Patricia Baldwin

  9. Thank you for your comment and understanding of this horrific problem.
    They are already killing our cats and dogs also with tainted pet food.
    What next? You and me?????
    Patricia Baldwin

  10. Why don’t you just raise cows and chickens?
    I pity your poor horses.
    My Grandfauther had two workhorses and he took care of them as it was his bread and butter.
    They were treated well and not used for human consumtopm.
    Pigs and chickens were killed for food, but they valued the horses. The animals were all well-taken care of.
    Good Luck to You
    Sorry you aren’t making any money! Neither are the rest of the population.
    Patricia Baldwin

  11. Thank you for your comments and understanding of the ongoing problem with the horse slaughter, horse racing, etc.
    Also thank you for your understanding of this from a humane point of view.
    Patricia Baldwin

    P.S. I am also displayed as anonymous–don’t know why?.

  12. To the person who posted the comment “Why our world needs slaughter,” I’m 56 years old and have had horses my entire life and I am strongly against slaughter. In my life I have humanely euthanized 6 of my horses, holding their heads in my lap loving them to the end and letting them go with the dignity they showed in their lives. I agree with you on the point of back yard horse people that want a baby–but that’s only one horse; what about the “breeders” whose “foal crops” number in the hundreds yearly! Can they honestly say that every one of those foals will end up in a good home for life? You’re right it is the “horse industry,” a business, and as with all businesses there are losses but in the “horse industry” the losses come from greed. Do not presume to think, “The people that are anti slaughter are either not involved in the horse industry or are grossly misinformed.” You stated the following “Equine rendering plants can be a solution and can be a quick and painless way to end their suffering,” have you ever been to a slaughtering facility? Do you think being hit in the head 5-6 times with a “penetrating captive bolt gun” (that was designed for bovines,) then hung with hooks shoved through your hocks and bled out slowly is quick or painless? What about the atrocities these poor horses go through just to get to their “quick and painless” death? They are crammed into double decker cattle trucks that aren’t tall enough to accomodate them and driven thousands of miles non stop without food or water-they don’t need to be fed or watered do they. There are mares in foal, mares foaling in the trucks (what do you think happens to them?), there are weanlings (most die on the way), horses with broken legs, horses whose eyes are hanging out of their sockets, just a few examples of the humanity in slaughtering a horse. You stated, “that some must die in order that others may live. It is the check and balance system of life.” It saddens me that there are people like you in the “horse industry” because you truly don’t love let alone care about horses if you did you’d know to a horse, who is a flight animal, it would have to be the most terrifying thing for them to experience. The following statement you made is proof that horses are just dollar signs to you: “To be successful in the horse business, you cannot feed anything that doesn’t earn its keep- if you do, you’ll be in the red in the blink of an eye.”
    You’re in favor of slaughtering horses because it will “unflood the market” and put money in your pocket. Your in favor of slaughter because you probably think that just the grade horses are being slaughtered well you’re wrong the killer buyers buy anything they can get their hands on, even the well bred horses that have come from breeding facilities in the horse industry. I think you’re the one whose “grossly misinformed” and horses would be better off with out you in their lives.

    I have been blessed to have had horses in my life for more that 50 years, I’m not in the “horse industry” I’m not a backyard horse person, nor am I misinformed, I love horses, all horses, and I am anti slaughter. A true horseman looks for the soft eye, the try, the give, the trust. A true horseman would never betray that trust. Slaughter is the worst betrayal a horse can suffer. Think about it.

  13. Everything leading up to the point the horse is shot in the head with the pneumatic bolt is inhumane and there’s no way to justify it unless it be for purely monetary reasons. No animal deserves to be killed in such a fashion and without regard to pain and suffering. I can’t help but feel that all those in favor of the slaughter industy and it’s real world practices are subhuman and that there is a special place in Hell for them. If animals must be euthanised, which could largely be avoided if the industry and individuals acted responsibly, then this should be done with compassion by properly trained and caring individuals.

  14. I, for one, agree with horse slaughter

    On the horse slaughter issues that are arising now around the country, I ask why everyone believes it’s so bad. Now that all of the old facilities have been closed, and those corporations have moved out of the country, why would it be so horrible to have facilities built again? If you think about it, those facilities were built long before there was any real laws, inspectors, animal cruelty inspectors, etc. that would have been involved in the contracts when they were built. If there was a company that would bring that back into the country do you really believe that anyone would let it go as far as it went before the last ones were closed? Do you think that there wouldn’t be more humane ways of putting the horses down, cleaning the facilities, inspections, wastewater issues, etc that wouldn’t be put into the agreement/contract in the very beginning and also ways that the local magistrate and inspectors can take action for all mishaps and fines that are incurred? There is no way that foreign countries wouldn’t come back to the US for the horse meat because this is the country with all the horses that could ever be wanted.

    I can understand to a point why people are so deadset against horse slaughter. I have seen the videos; understand what it means to kill such a majestic animal; understand that it’s not just the injured, sick, old that are slaughtered; understand that there are inhumane ways of transportation to the slaughterhouses, etc. But I also understand that there are many things put into place so that there are laws and regulations and inspections for most of those things now so that there are better “eyes on” the issues. I also know that nothing is going to make everyone happy.

    I do feel for the Mayor that wrote the letter to the Montana Senator. I could not imagine having that in my city limits and the fact that they didn’t care at all for the laws of the country or city that they were operating in. Right now, if slaughterhouses were to open again, don’t you think that there would be things in place so that it would NEVER happen like that again? There has to be a way that they can be reopened and controlled.

    I want you all to think about another aspect. I live in Texas where the summers are hot and most of the time the winters are mild. Some freezing but not alot of snow or rain. In Montana there is no such thing. People believe that because horses are kinda like cows or other grazing animals that because there is grass on the ground, they should be able to survive. I mean, there is always water flowing in Montana right? There goes the thirst issue. And, there is always grass in Montana right? I mean Montana is mountainous and has lots of grazing so they should be able to fend for themselves, right? Think again… These animals are DOMESTICATED. They have been domesticated for hundereds of years and no longer have the ability to survive on their own. I’m pretty sure that if you turned a horse out in Montana during the summer, that horse would make it pretty well until winter rolls around, all the grass is covered in snow, and the lakes, rivers and streams are frozen. These horses are all used to having the ice broke for them and hay out in the pasture for them to eat. Most of the horses that are released into the wild therefore probably won’t make it through the winter. What a way to die, withering away from starvation and thirst when you know the food is right there but don’t know how to get at it.

    With the economy the way it is right now, and the amount of horses that are in this country, alot of these animals are becoming neglected. There is just not enough money flow to feed them and keep the mortgage up and the car payment and then the vet bills and farrier bills, etc… I used to be a breeder of FQHR Foundation Quarter Horses but with these times, you can’t sell a horse for half of what you have in it. There is no reason to keep breeding so I keep my mares and stallions seperated and try to sell some off when I can. No one wants to pay what they are worth because there are so many horses that no one can use or get rid of.

    I for one think that horse slaughterhouses should be allowed back into the US. I believe that they should be more tightly controlled, inspected, and monitored. I also believe that in this day and age, if an American company opened one, they would reap the benefits of overseas export for the delicacy that is known as horse meat. There would be numerous jobs created (especially if you hired people just for the cleaning crew). I slaughter my own cows, goats, chickens, pigs and understand that the less stress that the animals are under, the better the meat comes out. I believe that because they were such a problem in the past, a whole bunch of research was completed on ways to make the process more humane and less messy. There has to be a way for a horse slaughterhouse to come back and lift the heavy burden that the US is in right now with unwanted horses.

    There are only so many rescues, retirement homes, and foster homes that can take unwanted horses, and let me be the first to say, they are the most expensive animal to take care of!

    I don’t know what else the country is going to do with all these horses. I’m sure that there are alot of unmarked graves in “the back 40” where horses have been shot instead of being abandoned. If there was a way for them to be humanely euthanized and used for human consumption in other countries, so be it. At least they didn’t go to waste and the burden is lifted.

    There will always be issues with this because there will always be people who breed inferior horses just because they might be able to make a buck down the line. With all the inferior horses there is nowhere for the superior horses to go.

    Of course, this is my opinion. Everyone has there own. If I had the funding and research capabilities, I believe a horse slaughterhouse would be a good investment. I don’t like the fact that the horses are killed, but in the scheme of things, I would rather know how they died and what was happening to them, and ensure it’s as painless as possible, than seeing emaciated, neglected horses running free who are unable to care for themselves, or owners who are purposefully neglecting them because they don’t have the money.

  15. Of course you agree with HCHS….it’s the only abndonment of equines in the US that YOU GET PAID FOR. And you sure spend a ton of time and words to dress up, irrationalize the abuse and cruelty that HCHS is in your post. Starving and HCHS are equally cruel and abusive; one is not better than the other. You don’t want that horse? Then humanely euthanize it…and HCHS is not in any way, shape or form HUMANE. You are also sorely lacking a reasonable understanding of the equine industry (unless your industry IS HCHS). The BURDEN is LIFTED…from whom?????? Certainly not the equine that was tortured in auction, transport and butchered alive. BTW…you a Sue Wallis kool-aid drinker? You are long winded, verbose without facts and yet, the proslaughter still control the playing field of HCHS.

  16. i’m glad there is a difference in opinions around here… makes it interesting!

    my question to you is…. what are you going to do to help the horses when the country opens back up to foreign slaughter houses. they are going to be coming back either in the near future or in a couple of years. My point was that now that the companies would have to start over, we should be able to put into place more research based, more humane ways to get the animals through. i do agree with you in one point… there really is nothing humane about it and never will be but in the same instance, because eventually they WILL open again, we need to put into place restrictions, inspection teams, etc. The old factories/slaughterhouses were old buildings that they were not going to spend a whole lot on to fix it up to standard. Now, there are no old buildings and they will probably be in different states than the 2 that they were last in. they will have to rebuild from scratch.

    Like you said, i’m not the expert of all of this… i do believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I’ve been reading the news on the search engines about all the states that are now starting to ask for the ability for each state to choose if they want the slaughterhouses. Montana is the closest to OKing it now. I don’t know how long it will take or how many states are trying to jump on the bandwagon but some of the things i read about the Montana issue is that they didn’t like all the abandoned animals or all the neglect and abuse because of the financial hardships the country is in. so, i don’t see how much longer the fight is going to work…

    I think, like i said before, that we should spend more time trying to figure out how to help the animals when the gates open… never nice but better to have hands on than hands off and seeing everything that went on in those old facilities…

    there are people for and against but when it all comes down to it it’s better to jump all up in their business than let it all go on without more hands on and monitoring. hopefully we can make things different this time around…

  17. I totally agree with continuing horse slaughter. Since owners don’t have the money they let them starve in a crapy pasture. How miserable would that be? Wouldn’t anybody be happy to pe put out of their misary then?

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